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What If We Were Looking for Answers in the Wrong Place?
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What if the thing we’re searching for was never just about aliens?
Welcome to the Season 3 opener of Who’s Even Listening ?. In this episode, Andrew sits down with his dad for a deeper conversation about aliens, UFOs, religion, the universe, and the bigger question underneath all of it: what are we actually searching for?
They talk about why so many people look to the sky, to space, to UFOs, or to the unknown for answers — and how that connects to the same kinds of questions people have always asked through faith, religion, and spirituality.
This conversation is not about proving one side right or wrong. It is about staying open, asking bigger questions, and wondering why we feel like we have to choose only one place to search for meaning.
Season 3 starts with a simple but heavy question:
What if we were looking for answers in the wrong place?
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What if we're searching the entire universe just to avoid looking at ourselves? That's kind of where we want to start today, because people have always searched for answers for a long, long time. A lot of people found those answers in religion, faith, or something bigger than themselves. And now, for a lot of people, that search has shifted towards space, aliens, UFOs, simulation theories, and the idea that maybe the truth is somewhere out there. But maybe the search has never really changed. Maybe we're still asking the same questions we've always asked. Why are we here? Are we alone? Does any of this mean something? And if we never get the answer we're quite looking for, how are we supposed to live right here, right now? So today, me and Dad are going to talk through that aliens, religion, the universe, meaning, perspective, and why maybe the answer isn't just out there, maybe it's in how we treat each other here. This is season three, episode number one. We're starting off the new season here. As last season, we started off this way as well. We were welcoming my dad. Thank you, Dad, for joining us, my man. Thank you. Episode one, I'm honored. That's right. That's right. Season three, man. Long time coming. So uh appreciate everybody that has been tuned in and we're excited for the new season. And uh as always, we always say the same mission, same message. Eoli, everybody, love everybody. Let's try to do our part and make this world a better place, spread love, spread kindness and forgiveness. We're trying to do our part over here, and hopefully we're doing our part well and influencing others who want to do that as well. And um, thank you again for tuning in and like and subscribe if you haven't already, and hopefully uh we're have another journey and they're just gonna keep going and hopefully just help more and more people the bigger we get. And uh that's the whole goal here. Um so, Dad, thank you again for joining us. And uh, we're gonna talk about what if we're looking for answers in the wrong place? Obviously, we're gonna go ahead and kind of get into the search here, Dad. I think it was first thing we're gonna dive into of kind of like just uh why people are really searching more than ever, I think now with how much is going on to just kind of find, like you said, to how to live in the moment and how to find, in a sense, peace and contentment, I think, in life, I think is hard, and you can take that a lot of different ways. But so obviously talk about how people used to turn more directly to religion or faith, and now a lot of people turn to other alternatives such as alien UFOs, space theories in the universe. The topics change, but the answers but the need for the answers are still the same. Um so what my my question I think we're gonna start with is what do you think people feel like? Why why do why do you think people feel like something is missing right now? And why do you think people are searching so much to find that?
SPEAKER_03Well, I think it's unique to, as far as we know, to us as humans. For whatever reason, you know, we don't think the, you know, a dog or a cat or different animals really worry about their purpose or why things happen or question those kind of things, we don't think. Um so it's very peculiar that as far as we know, you know, we're the only creature that seems to have that concern about a higher purpose. And of course, you know, from a religious standpoint, people feel that humans are different, they're in the image of God, as opposed to an animal that's just a you know more of a material um creation. You know, is that something that's put into us by a higher purpose, by a creator, um, or is it something that just evolved over time? And of course, whether you have a religious viewpoint and you believe it's put in us by a creator, uh, if you believe we're just a random evolution process, then somehow it evolved and you know came into us over time. But it seems to have existed forever, as far as we know. I mean, people wanted to know why the sun came up and why it rose, and you know, they created a sun god uh to worship that, or why the, you know, the air or water, and you know, you had different gods that were responsible for that. So for some reason, we have an innate desire to want to explain things and understand why they work. And, you know, that's been great for us. It's it's c taught us how to uh move forward and you know, cure diseases and be able to have technology advances and all those wonderful things. Um, and it leads us to questions, some that we can solve and other questions that we can't solve or haven't been able to solve, as far as the what is the ultimate purpose and why are we here? And you know, so we've we've progressed by figuring out so many things, you know, whether it's gravity or the planets of the solar system and all these wonderful things, but it still, you know, leaves the question unanswered, that final question. Yeah. Why are we here? What's our purpose? Is there any meaning to this? And you know, we resolve all these other questions, but we're still always left with that final question. So it's it's really no different than our regular um thought process of trying to figure out how something works, you know, trying to make a car work or you know, whatever it is, but then it just advances to that final question where it's kind of an unresolved issue, and we just still have that same inquisitive curiosity of what what is that?
SPEAKER_02That's what I was gonna say. And I'm curious to see what you think of this because I didn't really think about it until you broke it down like that. But when you're we're we're ch we're children, like for example, when we're kids, we're curious about everything. We we wake up, we're we want to know what's going on, we we're just we're just want to be involved with everything, they want to know what's going on, they want to be curious. And I feel like as you get older, you you don't you don't lose it per se. I just think it shifts. Um I think we th we always say that as adults we kind of lose our curiosity and our childness of us, but I I think more like you said, it's that the you start to realize the realization of the end. Because I think when you're a child, you're not thinking of the end, you're not thinking of the big picture really per se. I mean you might, but not as I think as you do as you age. And I think as we age, we tend to search for it even more because we know it's inevitable, that you know it's coming, that our the the at the end is sense coming. So then we want to know the answers before it ends. Um and I think that that might be where our curiosity shifts to, to where it becomes that religion and faith, just because we don't have really much else for our curiosity to go like we did as a child. And I think that might be, I'm not saying that's for everybody, but I thought about that. I think that might be a part of it. I I find myself doing that. Um I used to be more big into like certain things, certain hobbies and everything, and now it's really all my energy is just shifted to trying to figure out something I have no idea about. And it's like, well, why is that? But it makes me think that that's kind of the one thing you're left to be curious about because like you said, you figured out how the car works. You've drive you. I wanted to drive when I was 16. I've done it now. You want there's certain like checkpoints you hit, and it kind of I think once you kind of have hit the things in this world that you kind of wanted to, then you start to be more curious for the outside.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no, that's a great way of looking at it because I've never really thought about it that way either specifically, but you think about that child example, and that child is learning, you know, oh, water is you know, yeah, wet, everything's gonna be a good thing. I can drink it. Everything's new. If I have this ball and I drop it, you know, there's a gra you're not thinking about gravity, but you're you're realizing that things fall to the ground. Um you're learning language, you're doing all these things just by natural curiosity that are problems really that are being solved, that you're figuring out how the world works. So, yeah, if you think about that way, it's just a natural progression that you just keep moving up the scale into more complex and bigger, bigger issues um, you know, as you become an adult. And just as your business grows or anything, you can relate that to anything. The more you yeah, the deeper you get. Um Yeah. So it seems when you think about that way, it seems obvious because why would you just stop? Why would you why would you figure out some things about how the material world works and just end it there? Just be like, I mean, that that that wouldn't even make any sense. Correct. Yeah. I agree.
SPEAKER_02So I think that's that is part of it, I do think, for a lot of us is just that as we get older we don't have the same curiosity for things that we used to, and then it kind of just channels it to be to that bigger picture of, you know, w is it is it gonna just end? Like I always bring up, you know, is it just gonna be nothing? I think that's our big answer. Like do we all just want to know that there's something else, I feel like, that it's not just darkness in a sense, um, and it for eternity, and that's all we know. Um so but yeah, I I think that's a big part. But no, I it's hard. Like you said, it's always out there. I don't think the search has ever changed. I think it's always like you read it even through all the Bible, I mean Egyptian scri everything that you read, I mean, the search has always been very vivid. Um, people have always seemed to have been very, like you said, curious to find that answer for ever since we can we can done document back to it.
SPEAKER_03We talk a lot about stress and how stress is basically uncertainty. And really, if you think about our lives, they're really an attempt to reduce uncertainty. So when you're a child, you're trying to figure out things because you want to understand it. And same way as adults, what's our purpose? You're you're trying to find an answer and reduce the uncertainty in your mind because I think we're all very uncomfortable with saying we don't know, um being uncertain of what's out there or what's coming tomorrow. Uh we just it creates stress for us and we try to reduce that stress by having an answer and having um some type of certainty.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03No, I agree. I agree.
SPEAKER_02So let's let's dive into why people r reach for that certainty and let's talk more about that with the religion kind of aspect. So people obviously we can talk we're kind of gonna go with the new age too. Obviously, we're gonna bring up the you know what everybody's already already knows too with every religion that's already out as well. I'm not gonna just talk about UFOs here, but people may be using aliens, UFOs in the universe the way people used to have a belief system. So religion gives people structure, meaning, and comfort. Aliens and UFOs give people mystery, possibility, and something bigger. And it's not about saying one is right or wrong, it's about asking why people need something beyond themselves. People aren't looking just for aliens, they're looking for meaning. And I I did want to really talk on that too before we dive into this one deeper, because obviously, you know, we we have a very similar worldview, I think, but you know, when I look at I think I've dove into that realm a lot more than you have, and and I I think I would be the first one to say that that is was why I searched for it. Um that was my first initial get into it, was that I just wanted to find something to me that that made sense and something that makes sense in my head, and I've felt like from everything I've read through like religion going to church with you and everything, I just it it it it kind I got it. I like I enjoyed, like I said, uh we always talk about it. I agree the morals and the the metaphors, everything, the teachings in it. I have nothing against it. It's just for whatever I just can't get behind the uh uh idea of that that's the answer, you know, that that there's there's just it's just one God and that's it. You know what I mean? It's just hard for me to kind of fully accept that, not saying it's not true. I don't know. I just don't know, but that just didn't gravitate to me. So I kind of went to towards the other realm that kind of in a different way of searching outwards, in a sense, of just maybe there's just something we're missing that's out there since we're like we talk about, and going to we're gonna go into that more about being a speck of dust, to where my mind kind of went to maybe there's other civilizations out here that in a sense don't have a, I wouldn't say a utopia, but hopefully have a better way of living and a better thought process and you know, way of going about life that's more um, in my opinion, loving and understanding of uh life and not just detrimental and selfish as we are as humans. Um in my head, I would like to hope that there's a world out there that is that way. And that was kind of my way of getting myself out of this world um to try to pretend that there's a world that exists in my head that could be my own heaven. And for me, that was my journey. I feel that that was kind of my search in a sense was to just find something that I could find peace in, and like you said, comfortability and contentment in that okay, this this m this might be able to make sense. Um, and maybe this can give me that comfortability of knowing that there is hope in a sense. I think it was to hope, too. And that there's there's there's hope for that bigger picture, that maybe there is something else that will, you know, make us uh see things a little differently. And I think it's really just that for me, that's that was my personal journey, and it still is. Um is just do you I I I just want to see that there's something like you said, we all want to see it. We all want to see it. And it and I think that's the hardest part for us that we're probably never gonna see it. And it's this that how can you find a way to have that hope and contentment knowing that there really is no answer and and there might be no ever right any right answer.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I think uh hope is a good word. I think faith and belief, whatever that faith and belief are, is a way to have hope. Um because you know, whether it's religion or you know what have you, suffering in the world is is terrible. It's a hard understanding. Suffering is pervasive. You know, everybody has some degree of it, and some people have uh just uh unbearable amount of suffering in their life. Um sometimes it's caused by certain behaviors and consequences, and sometimes it's just totally out of your control, and terrible things happen, and the search for an explanation of why can this be happening, um what's the purpose to all this? Is there a greater good? Um, is there some end result that rectifies all this and creates uh some type of fairness? Yes. Uh, because I think in this world, if if we say this world is it and it's just purely random evolution, um, survival of the fittest, um, then there is no resolution. And it's yeah, that makes it very challenging. There is no ultimate fairness, um, ultimate reward or ultimate fair consequence um to you know, maybe you know what you've done very well in your life. So that's I think the ultimate question. And some people look, you know, to the heavens, um, look to a creator, and have faith and trust in that creator that there's a bigger purpose and we don't understand it. And I think, like you said, looking to outside of our universe and that there's you know other beings out there and other existences, other realities is sort of a similar thing. It's taking you out of this world and putting your suffering here into it's minimizing it in a way. Um because without anything beyond us, our suffering is there's no reconciliation to it.
SPEAKER_02I I wanted to add in, I agree with all that. I want to add in there that um for me, I think the other part I wanted to bring up too, why I think I ventured out so much into wanting to go into the space and UFO stuff so much, was that for example, like the Bible, it m mostly depicts the earth. It doesn't really talk about much past our planet. If you get what I'm saying, as far as I'm right, is hopefully I'm right on that. I believe I'm right though. So I think it was more for me to where it felt like it was just in worded as one, to where I felt like I think that's where me was the disconnect for me with uh Christianity and understanding it um and getting behind it more. It was just because to me it was centered in the one earth, which is fine, because I think even with space and call segment, we're getting that it it is goes back to the center, it it's it starts here. So I don't think that that's wrong in a sense that we're st we are what we have here, so we gotta work with it. But I think the it just wasn't big enough of a picture for me to be like it felt just one-sided, like it was like there's probably more to it than than that, you know what I mean, than just our earth. Uh so I think that was another part I wanted to bring up. And then other people also, another big thing that's going around, and a lot of people are look like talk about this as a big um thing, not just up, down. A lot of people have a big belief in the underseas and in middle earth. And that's a big thing as well. I don't know if you've heard about that much, but a lot of people have a lot of things about the sea, like underwater having a different layer that you can go under basically when you get deep enough to where it goes into a different universe. There's a lot of different stuff out there. Um but that that's another belief as well. It's not even just up, it's actually in her, in our inner, in our our own earth. Um so that's another aspect I want to bring up too that I is is that people actually you know actually have a belief in.
SPEAKER_03So I think And nothing's wrong. We don't we don't like you say we we're welcome to just back to the religions, you know, they're they're w which whichever one it is, um, you know, they're written for the people who are here. Um but I think I think it is fair to say, at least, you know, for Christianity, which is the one I understand better, I always tell you, you know, in the Jesus, you know, would say he was in the world, not of the world. So I think there was a broad spiritual concept that, you know, this world and these material things are I don't say insignificant, but they're not the primary purpose. There's a spiritual world that is the world that matters. Um that transcends whether it's the earth or the universe. I mean it's it's the spiritual aspect that is all encompassing of whatever existence there is. Yeah. I agree, that's fair. So I think I think to be fair to the Bible, I think that's the intent.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because it you could it goes back to interpretation.
SPEAKER_02That that was my how I interpret it. So that that's that's like I said, correct. I agree. I mean, it didn't mean that it that was the same.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, because I don't think you know the Bible doesn't include or exclude um, you know, whether there are other beings um basically silent on on that aspect, in in my interpretation anyway.
SPEAKER_01Aaron Ross Powell, yeah, correct, correct.
SPEAKER_03Fair enough.
SPEAKER_02All right. And the last thing I want to say before we go into kind of why we're actually searching, but let's last this last question here talking about religion and aliens and beliefs that we all have. You know, why why do we feel that people get so defensive about their beliefs?
SPEAKER_03You know, most things we talk about, well, I I don't know. I have to backtrack on that a little bit because we're defensive about a lot of things now. Um, you know, our political situation, you know, people are defensive about their position there. So uh in the current world, yeah, we're probably more defensive about things than we've ever been. Um going back in time, you're right. Most most issues people weren't that defensive about. You could talk about, you know, a different opinion. Open dialogue existed. Yeah, on different subjects. And um, yeah, you uh there were a lot fewer things I think that people left to belief and faith. Seems like now a lot more of our opinions are more belief in things that aren't open to changing by new information. And to me that's what a belief is. I mean if you if if you're so locked at that's even more than a belief. I mean, that's almost just uh uh Yeah, that's almost what you live by at that point. A dogma or uh whatever it's it's body in it. It's more than a I mean, hopefully a belief. Even if you have a belief, you could still be open to say, oh, if it's proven wrong, then I'm gonna change that belief. Correct. I I agree. But a lot of us in today's world, we have a belief, and it doesn't really matter if somebody can really prove it. Pretty much prove that we're wrong, we still hang on to that belief because somehow losing that takes away who we are or makes us feel I don't know, some negative emotion. That we can't do it. We'd rather we'd rather hold on to the belief, even if logically we maybe can say, well, it certainly seems like that's not right, but I emotionally can't get it.
SPEAKER_02And it's hard because I think there is a balance because sometimes obviously you're putting a standstill, and you bring up Jesus as a metaphor where people tell you everything he's telling you're doing is wrong, even though it is right. So there is times where it you can you do have to stand up for yourself. Sometimes it's a it's hard to know, like you said, because I think certain situations there's like I always bring up to you, man. To me, there's always nothing's ever 100% to me. I I could argue that things might be 99.99, but I just to me I can always make the argument to you. We talked about the basketball, do you always bring that up? And it's like you're correct, but if in this world, but if something could shift to where the for all knows, who knows, we could have a certain shift in the world, and for whatever reason, there's no gravity for that second, and nothing dropped.
SPEAKER_03That's the so it just always is, but just for clarification, yeah, that's the discussion we have a lot. Um because we can go we we have a discussion about you know their truth, and we talk a lot about, well, it's different pers different individuals' perspective of what's true and so forth. And I always get concerned when that goes too far, because then it's like there is no truth, and I always try to bring you back as a when you were young to the example of I know if I drop this basketball time after time after time, I know it's going to hit the ground. I don't want somebody to dispute, like, you know, gravity doesn't exist, because I can more or less prove it to you that I can keep dropping this ball a million times and it's gonna hit the ground. So to me, that's proof. Now, where you come in, and I agree with you, is that yes, that's true within this context, within this world, within the physical environment that we live in. Um, but if we go on a different planet or somewhere else in the solar system, we know in the moon gravity's not as strong. It's gonna be a little bit more.
SPEAKER_02And from what we're doing, we don't know. I haven't been on the moon, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_03We think it's going to drop more slowly. If we go somewhere else, maybe it goes up uh because the the laws are different in a different place. Or could those laws of physics change at some point in the future for some reason we're not aware of? So yeah, all those possibilities exist and I think it's fair to recognize them, but still for general conversation You have to as you say, if there's no truth, we have nothing. But if we're going to argue over that ball dropping and say, well, I don't think it's going to hit the ground this next time you drop it, you're pretty much wrong. I mean, so we pretty much have a pretty well established truth, always with that caveat that things could change tomorrow, things could change in a different circumstance or different. And somebody could jump out and grab the ball.
SPEAKER_00I mean it's unseen circumstance.
SPEAKER_03That's a different argument. There is no rule that's perfect. Yes. But they exist in general. I agree.
SPEAKER_02And we have to have some type like we say, you gotta have some type of truth, or nothing really exists. I mean, like it what what would matter nothing would matter.
SPEAKER_03I mean, so you have to accept that common truth as the starting point. I agree. I agree. And then you can have a discussion about, well, maybe, you know, on this different planet, gravity's different or whatever. So that that discussion can take place. But if you won't admit that the ball does drop. The ball's going to drop. And some people and some people in today's world, you know, with whether conspiracy theories or politics or religion would still not want to admit that that ball's dropping to the ground and they're just locked in in whatever theory they have, and they don't care about how many times you can prove it. They're going to hold on to that belief that there's something different. And that's a problem in the world. It is.
SPEAKER_02I I believe right now we're all stuck between, in my opinion, a very big divide of what our reality is and what actual reality is. I think that's where people are stuck. We all have what reality is in our head, and I think in what it actually is, we see it very differently and skewed because of our own perspective of what we assume it to be.
SPEAKER_03And the initial question you had is why why are we so stuck and why do we have the belief system? I'm not we, but in general, all of us. Why do we pick the belief system we have? What does it do for us? And some people's belief system are more closely tied to reality than others. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Let's dive into why we're actually searching here. Okay, so obviously we just want to talk about maybe we're not just searching for facts, maybe we're searching for comfort, purpose, and connection. We talk about the fear of not knowing, wanting purpose, wanting connection, not feeling wanting to feel alone in the universe and wanting proof that life means something. We're not really searching for something out there. We're trying to understand what this is. And I feel like in a sense, this is gonna be a weird one, but I always bring this up when we talk about we want to search and why do we search? Always first question I want to ask you is when once we do know, do you think we'd actually be happy of knowing if we if we actually knew definitively what it is and we could all prove it and all accept it and see it and have no no discussion that it and we all knew it and saw it and like, okay, okay, we all know, we see it. Do we think that would actually be good if we actually break that down and think about that?
SPEAKER_03That's a tough one. I don't know that. I don't know. I don't know that I think through that a lot. Answer that, but I do think we have our beliefs because it makes us feel better. Um, there can be logic behind it, but ultimately a belief, a faith, I think gives you certainty, gives you comfort, helps you make sense of the world, and I think it does make you feel better. With having total knowledge of everything being disclosed to us in a obvious proof way. Um I don't know. It would probably make us feel better, yes. Would it solve everything? You know, who knows? But it's kinda like it's kind of like the question of, you know, does does having money make you feel better? Well, no, it doesn't solve all your problems, but it solves one problem. It does. You know what I mean? It takes it takes away one correct one issue for you. So you still may have you still may have if you still have suffering in the world and there's still disease and poverty, knowing the purpose, I don't know, it it might not take away other problems, but in and of itself, knowing I think would be comforting and and help ease some of the stress in our minds, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I do too. And I think it'd be person by person too. And I think it'd be hard because I'm sure it'd be a journey for some people too. Like, for example, we're all so, like you said, solidifying our ways to where what if it you know, I mean, I think it'd be another one of those things. Would every would anybody I think it'd just hard even have something that would be so definitive to make people feel that way. And like I always think about it like that too. Like I was like, what if aliens came or what if God just presented himself?
SPEAKER_00Who people do people there would still be so many groups out there that would say, Oh, that was AI, or you could take it anyway. There's always gonna be that.
SPEAKER_03God presented himself, made some sort of statement, everybody heard the statement, everybody heard the exact same thing. Yeah, how many people would feel that was an actual experience? I mean, definitely not a hundred percent. I wouldn't think. I wouldn't think. And same way aliens, you know, if if aliens uh showed up and each there was one alien that visited each one of us. Yeah, personally. Personally, we'd still, you know, I'm sure a big percentage would still be it was a setup, a dream or it was a setup, or yeah. There'd be some alternative explanation that fit the belief. Now, would some people break their belief that didn't believe and now they're sure, absolutely. But would there be people who were so stuff embedded in their mindset that uh they were resistant to change? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I agree. So, and maybe that's why, you know, a lot of people who don't have a belief in God, you know, always say that, you know, well, why wouldn't God show himself or whatever? It's like, well, people who are religious feel that he does show himself in the creation that we have, and uh you know, just being here and life in general and all of the things that we have feel like that is a demonstration of um, you know, intelligent design that, you know, this couldn't just happen randomly, and what other logical conclusion would you have? Correct. You know, that's all perspective too.
SPEAKER_02It's it's all opinion. You know, again we always say on this show, we always say the same thing. To me, uh this is our b our belief and our opinions. And I I don't ever say it's right or wrong because it's it's an opinion. And we should all be willing to share our own unique opinions and hear them out and actually take them in and realize that everybody has their own thoughts and ours aren't always the correct ones. And I we have to really remind ourselves of that in this world right now, with how much is at our fingertips, how much we can get sold on in a second by just going on your phone. You can get sold on a something in a second now if you just let yourself so just just be aware. We gotta be more conscious. And I always remember one of my best teachers I want to bring up, Mr. Gilmore always used to say, and I'm Mr. Eilers, both of them always said it, read through the rhetoric, read through the lines. And the truth is, like, it's so hard nowadays to just read through the bullshit and realize what actually is real and what is actually authentic and not just thrown out there to get clicks or whatever. And um, it's very difficult in this world right now.
SPEAKER_03The only thing I always add to that when we have that conversation about everybody, you know, we respect everybody's opinion and everybody looks at it differently, is I still feel like or have the belief that despite that, there still is a actual reality of a truth that exists. So we're all entitled to look at it differently, but you know, if we watch the baseball game or football game, we all view it differently and we have different opinions about it, da da da. But something did actually happen, and there is a reality of you know, the events that occurred. So I think sometimes we can we have to be careful not to go too far and say, Oh, we're all entitled to our opinion, um, and your opinion's equally as valuable as mine. Well, that's not necessarily true. Some people have more knowledge, more more experience.
SPEAKER_01Um Yeah, I well I agree with that a hundred percent. Like for example, if you're a doctor and you're doing a surgery, I agree. I agree.
SPEAKER_03I'm not saying there is a like in the baseball game, there's an actual event that occurred in certain.
SPEAKER_00It's somebody won three to two on the paper. Actually happened. Yes, I agree. I understand.
SPEAKER_03So that that's the only thing I say, you know, I always caution when we go too far with everybody's got the right to their own opinion. Yes, fair enough.
SPEAKER_02Well, we can play the well, I'll put it like this we can play the what if game all day. It goes back to the what if, you know. Technically anything's right if you play the what-if game all day. But what I I still look at it like uh I I get what you're saying. I'm glad you said that. I I agree sometimes you know I do go too far. Well, I've I'm open to everything. And I always put it to you, I say the same thing I always say, if you're open to everything and willing to learn, that that's that's how you learn. Because if you're if you don't feel if I don't feel that way, to me, I I feel like I used to be very solidified, very one-way, and just in a sense, telling people how to be. And to me, it's more about listening and taking a back seat and just hearing everything and then forming your own opinion, not what's right, your own opinion from those thoughts. So so to me, it's just I I just think it's this the open discussion like you brought up earlier about even just having discussions that somebody may and this reality may be wrong. But like I said, I still believe in that point. That's why I was bringing up the science experiment to you. And I that's kind of kind of why I always say what I say with the opinions, because we can have all believe in reality and what's going on here and know that this is the best people that should be in this room and trying to figure out this project right now. But and they might be the best suited for it and have the most expertise and knowledge to do it. But it might just take this one guy to have this weird idea and it comes in. So that's where that's where I always make that argument is that and I believe that in anything, not just a science experiment, I believe that sometimes we all sometimes it just takes us to view something a little different to see something different. And that's why I always that's why I say that, just so we don't miss somebody's fault that could have changed somebody's mind.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I always try to put things into simple examples, and I'll go back to the baseball game. So I'm sitting there watching the baseball game, I see every second of it, I watch a replay of it, you know, a hundred times. So I think I know everything about this baseball game that's happened. And other people are saying incorrect things, and they have opinions, but they're wrong about their opinions because it didn't actually happen. And I think I know everything about it, but then all of a sudden somebody tells me, oh, the whole thing was was a scam because it was a setup and they threw the game or whatever, and my cousin played on the team, and he told me that you know they struck out on purpose or they did whatever. So all of a sudden now I think I'm an expert in what happened in that baseball game. I've seen it, I've seen a hundred replays of it, but I have to be open to the fact that I still don't know everything about that baseball game, and all of a sudden somebody just told me out of the box, like you're saying, and I have to be open to the fact that oh, this just totally totally blew the whole perception I had of this whole experience. It was a total farce. And you know, if I have a belief in that baseball game, you know, I'm not gonna want to change my mind about it, so I have to be open to that information. So I don't know, that just seemed like a example.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, no, you like you said, we gotta be open to it, and like you said, not everything is something that we take in and use. And like you said, that's the other thing too. You know, everything is used for each person, but there's nothing wrong. Like I always say about this podcast, what I love about it. I've had so many people on here lately that everybody's you learn something from each one of those people. Every person I have brought on, I have learned something from and put it into use in my own life. Right. And um, to me, that is that is the point. To me, that's the point I'm trying to make is that we can learn something from everyone, and sometimes it's might just just because we disagree or have an opposing view, whatever it is, it's still to me, like I said, it's not nothing's definitive to me. And I I believe that there's just so many different thoughts, and to it's beautiful. To me, that's what's beautiful about this world is how many different thoughts and perspectives we can have at one thing. Right. Like we look at this water bottle for whatever reason. Me and you would look at this water bottle, and the first word that would come out of mouth most likely would be different, looking at this water bottle. You know what I mean? Like it just it is what it is. We all view the world differently, just like we talk about the Bible. Everyone reads it differently, everyone takes a story in differently. Um, and that's that's the beautiful thing, and we need to utilize that to our advantage. And I don't I think that sometimes we don't. I think sometimes we look at it as a bad thing, but rather than something that can be, in my opinion, like I said, I always bring it to the science experiment. It's the trial and error. It's the that not everything is set in stone, that we evolve. That's the other thing, too, that it might be correct now, but there can always it can always be better. That's what always goes back to to me. We can always advance, we can always get better, like the continuous improvement. And with improving, you have to have new ideas. Nothing stays the same. Just like they what do they say? You can't do the same thing over and over and expect the same the different result. Right. You have to have change. And I'm not saying change is always good, but to push our envelope more and more and more, we have to have these more ideas, these more open thoughts, and have be willing to try. And I think that's the hardest part is we were so stuck in our own minds.
SPEAKER_03You have to fight we have to that's my argument for it. We have to fight our human nature. Our human nature is to think we know and to try to convince somebody else of what we already think, as opposed to really listen and you know, learn learn new information and modify our um position. And that's what's always so frustrating, not to sidetrack on a political standpoint, but how nobody will ever admit that they're wrong about anything. It's like we we should want to say, oh, I've got new information now, I've learned about this subject, and I've got a different opinion, and I've changed my policy. It's like everybody has to stay steadfast on what they've said previously, and you know, we're right, we're right, we're right. And it's like I don't that's uh that's not a good philosophy. I agree.
SPEAKER_02No matter who you are or what sides you're on. I agree, man. We gotta be willing to learn and change and adapt um as we go. And uh like like you said, be willing to admit that we're wrong and we can be wrong. There's nothing. I thought I was wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with saying, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I thought that was the right thing to do.
SPEAKER_02It to me, I res Let me put it like this. I know other people will make this, I respect it. If if I see someone own up to something and say that, or whatever, like for example, what I love about watching good QBs back in day, there's some good ones now that still do it. But I those are my favorite interviews or something when you hear a guy that's just like takes full accountability, that was on me. I need to play better, doesn't say shit about the team. That's how you need to be. You take it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? It if you're wrong, or it whatever it is, if you're in a situation, just own up to it. There's nothing wrong with it. And I to me it's honorable. It's honorable. And it's not as it's because people I think people view it as like a it's you know a weakness. Yeah, weakness. And it's not. To me, it's an honorable thing to be able to go out there and say that you were wrong about what you said, and that you're now saying I I have had new, like dad said, I have new information, new things that have come to my table, and I've realized that what I thought was uh what I thought was right at the time, it now is not, and we have now shifted in this and this, we feel that this is the correct path. There's nothing wrong with that. And I get it, people, it's because of the viewers. Oh, we had people sold on them, they're gonna lose you. And it's all a grab game of not to lose voters and people, and it's awful. It's all but just just be you, man, and it just be open to being wrong, like dad said. That's how we grow, that's how we get going. We we're not gonna get anywhere just pretending like we're right all day and just hammering down on this is that, this is that. It's it's how we change, how we evolve, and how we realize that we can be wrong and growing from it, just like we talk about the time, failure creates success. And if you're just gonna pretend like you were successful your entire life, then if you want to live in that illusion, that's up to you. But yeah, basically, we all fail. We all fail. Be willing to admit that.
SPEAKER_03Based on the information we had at the time, we thought this was the best course of action or the truth, and we've learned new, or things have changed, or circumstances have changed, and we have to go in a new direction. I mean, it's like you know, the example of you know, we thought the earth was the center of the solar system and turned out, you know, the sun uh was the center. But why why'd it take us so long to give up that belief? You know, because that belief we thought hurt us if from a religious standpoint, you know, there was a belief that if the earth wasn't the center of the universe, that that somehow diminished you know the religious beliefs, which it I don't think it really did, but they had a mindset and a belief that admitting that the earth wasn't the center of the universe somehow took away their belief system. And you know, we have to be conscious of that at all the time. Am I resisting this because somehow it's challenging my worldview that is a belief, or or am I resisting it because you know facts tell me and I think the other part of it too, we we we we can't take it so personal too.
SPEAKER_02I think we all personalize it so much, sometimes it's just about being the bigger picture, and it's not really and I think it's not about us. And I think that's the biggest thing. Like we all take it as a selfish attack or whatever, but like you say, it's it's the grand scheme, it's the big it's not about us in per se. So with that said, let's go into this, Dad. The bigger picture, all right? The universe is massive and we are tiny. That should humble us. Billions of galaxies, Earth as a tiny piece of something much bigger. How small we are compared to everything, how strange it is that we still act like everything revolves around us. We are a speck of dust, acting like everything revolves around us. Like I said. And that's Dad knows I'm a huge Carl Sagan guy, and uh that's always his big thing is that basically the earth is where we make our stand. This is there's and then he always but this tiny vantage point he says, and he's looking at the earth, and we're just this little dust speck, like a little speck of sand. And he goes into talking about how the you know bloodshed and all this stuff that we've done trying to basically own and have power of a fraction of a dot in the universe. And that's something I just want to take time to realize for all of us is that that is what we do, and we need to realize that perspective that it is not about us, it is not a selfish tendency, it's about after us, before us, everything. It's it's not just about one thing. And um, that's something that I want to paint that picture because humanity, in my opinion, is very lost right now in this world, and we are, in my opinion, very searching for power, ego, uh money, greed, and there's so many things, and it's always been the case. I'm not saying that's anything new, but it does seem at this point we are at a very challenging time with the tools that we're given now, with AI and everything at our fingertips to I talked about dad this the other day that we're at a kind of a break point with uh life right now in itself, um, to where we're we're gonna be at a we're gonna make a lot of big decisions here and how we're gonna shift our society and how we're gonna treat each other and treat this world going forward um because we can lose it in the blink of a second. Um we talk about right now, we don't like going to politics, but we're dealing with obviously a lot of different conflicts, a lot of economy struggles. There's just so much going on right now, as there always is, but it is a very fragile, fragile time, and to me it hurts me in my heart that we're w we feel this way and we're scared for f our kids to not know what their future is, um, to not know, and we have to do better to realize that this is what we have, this is all we got, and we have to do everything in our power as individuals, and I don't put it on countries, I'm not gonna do that right now. We're putting it on ourselves. It's on us as individuals to do our part, be better humans, better people, and be open to other people, be open to people, be hard, be just love, just love. And we have to find a way to get along in this world, and I know many people may disagree with that, and that's fine, but in my opinion, and I always believe that, we have to just love above everything else and find a way to create peace and get along with one another, no matter what that is, because when we're all gone, when this world is, say, this is the saddest analogy I'll bring up and thing I can say, if we're all burned and dead from a nuclear bomb and something this earth is just sitting there with nothing, we're gonna feel really we're really rough up top. That's all I can say. And we have to really do a better job as humans to realize that we're down a path that can be very detrimental to us, and hopefully we can make a stand, like they say, and you know, make a stand where we are, and uh realize that it's about treating one another better, treating each other with kindness, with respect, and wanting to have people to live in this world and live longer and uh not wish people bad, not wish people negative things. Um I think a lot of us just uh sadly wish death and awful things on the people. And I it hur makes me want to cry thinking that people feel that way. Because I I I live in a world where I want to believe that we can all just love one another and find peace and find a way to do that. So I'm sorry to take the time to go on that rant, but I do believe that's something we have to realize and get behind and realize that we have to do something and it's on us to make that change. And we have to do everything in our power every day. To make sure that we don't we don't lose this world. This is all we got. And it's a precious, beautiful thing. And uh we have to do our part and make sure it's still precious and beautiful for the people after us.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it is precious, and uh you started that by saying, you know, we're just a little speck and you know, grain of sand example, you know, how small we are. And I think that causes a lot of people a lot of uh concern, a lot of anxiety, I guess you'd say, just like saying uh Earth is not, you know, the center of the universe. It also can be discouraging if you think, you know, we're this tiny little speck in this tiny grain of sand. But I would say the same thing, like don't let that detract from how important we individually actually are. I mean, it'd be like comparing um a family that has one child versus a family that has ten children. Because they have ten children, does that mean they have less love for those ten children than the family does that has the one child? No, absolutely. Um it's unlimited. The so you know, whether we are a little tiny speck or a grain of sand does should not reduce the significance that we each have as individuals. So that's a kind of a delicate balance to to humble ourselves and realize that we are a very small speck um, you know, that's that's here, that's part of this grand, gigantic um picture that's that's so much bigger than us, but at the same time, our value is equal to any anything else out there, or you know, is not diminished.
SPEAKER_01Correct.
SPEAKER_03Our value's not diminished by the vastness of the universe.
SPEAKER_02We're s we're we play an important role in it, I would say. Um all of us do, everyone does. Uh we all have a role and a a good part in it. Um and we have to make sure we do our our part well. But I would say that, yeah, it's it it's yeah, it's hard. It's hard. But uh my my biggest thing, Dad, like I always say, is that it it all centers back to just losing that selfishness and ego, I think is to me the the key of what that centering does is that it it makes it goes back to the process of letting go what we talk about of just realizing that it's just on us to be good people. Well, think about that to me that's that's what it always drops down to.
SPEAKER_03Because individually we are that grain of sand, but we're part of this vastness, and that's where, like you said, and I always say too, you know, we drop the ego, we drop the limit on ourself, and that's you know, in a Christian standpoint, that's being born again, dying of yourself, and tapping into the higher purpose. So, yeah, if we do lose our ego, die of ourselves, then we become a part of the vastness. Yeah. We are we are one, so to speak. You know, we're not an individual little grain of sand anymore. That's why I said the beach. I didn't mean like role as in we were.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, but I meant that as like a team, as in like you we all play a role in the team, in the overall bigger picture. We all have our individual role.
SPEAKER_03But just like the the the parts of the body, you know what I mean? It's like if you say, you know, how important is my pinky finger, you know. Well, I don't know, maybe it's not that important. But if it's used within the context of the whole body, it's it's as important as anything else. So it's the same way, you know, us as individuals, if we isolate ourselves and we're focused internally, then we are a grain of sand that really has not a whole lot of purpose. Yes. But if we lose that self and we're connected to everything, then we're equally, you know, important part of the everything. Of everything.
SPEAKER_02Of everything, yeah. Like you said, and it goes back to we haven't brought this up much in the episode, but it's so true. Just the energy. We are the energy. Like you said, it all revolves, everything is my opinion, it's all energy-based, in my opinion. We're all I put off energy, you put off energy, like I tell you, it's contagious. And uh good energy is is and bad energy as well. It's contagious. Um and we have to just make sure that we're doing our part of putting off that good energy, in my opinion. That's to me our job as humans, like our individual job is putting off good energy and good um good mindset and positive vibes to people. Um to me, that is our job. And I I'd say that's simplest, but it's true. Just to have good morals, be a good person, be nice to people, and do the right thing. And however that is to you, to me, that is that is the good energy. And if we do that in our roles, you know, we're we're doing our part. Like I always go back to the damn firefly analogy I make to you, but it's true. You know, if we all were doing that and putting off good energy, we'd all be lit up. Like you think about what it does to do a good thing, always bring about everybody talks about obviously you don't want to thrive off of that, you shouldn't do it for that reason, but you you do something good, you feel good. You it it's a it's it's just part of it, it's part of the process. And that's kind of what I'm saying with the firefly analogies. You do something good, we do that all the time, we're gonna be all lit up and feel good. And that should be the the whole point of life is to not be here and upset all the time. Like we've kind of made it for it seem, but it's not to be stressed and overwhelmed and upset all the time. Life is supposed to be beautiful, it's supposed to be and there might be struggles in it. There's always gonna be struggles, but life's supposed to be positive and beautiful. There's there's like you said, we wake up and we see all this vivid nature that we have in front of us. Not everybody does. Some people live in a city, don't get me wrong, I'm not I don't not say that for everybody, but there's beautiful things to see even there. There's always beautiful things around us, and we do fail to sometimes just realize that simple thing. Um Let's go ahead and bring it to this, Dad. Even if we never get the answers, we still control how we live and how we treat people. We may never know the full truth, we may never know if we are alone, but we do know how we can treat people. We do know how we can show up, and we do know whether we can choose kindness, ego, fear, or love. And if this is all we have, why aren't we gonna be better to each other? So last thing I will say here too, Dad, before we close up in a little bit, is what would change if people focus more on how they live instead of what they believe?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean we're caught between tapping into that higher purpose and those principles, but then also putting that into practice here in a worldly way. Yeah. Um, you know, I always say from the Jesus example, he was in the world, not of the world. Um so you have to kind of balance the dying of yourself, tapping into those higher principles, but also not being above the world, you know what I mean? Because t tapping into those principles and not doing anything with it is not really appropriate either. So, you know, we can be so abstract that um, you know, I'm just a good person or whatever, but that should cause you to want to spread love and kindness and impact the world here that we live in. Yes. So uh I guess I'm struggling with that a little bit because it's it's a balance of two things.
SPEAKER_02Well, I always put it like this too. If your body, if you tell yourself that you're one of you're a good person, you're doing that, it would you're gonna body's gonna do it for you. Right. Is kind of the way I always try to work. If you have the good compass, if you have a good moral compass within your body and your soul, typically you're gonna do it without even realizing you're doing it. Right.
SPEAKER_03You should right, if your ego's died and you're really tapped into the higher purpose and the principles, if you've really done that, right, you should automatically come through you to do the deeds here in this physical world to help others.
SPEAKER_02To me, that's the key. When you when you see yourself doing it and don't even realize it should be automatic, right? That's the key. It's where you're there's no thought process. It's just reaction. Right. It's just that isn't what I do because it's the right thing to do. There's no questions asked, I do it. Um to me that's that's to me, at least when I know I'm doing the right thing, because you shouldn't have to think. It should just be a quick like I said, you're conscious, it's a conscious decision. Like you know when it's wrong and you know when it's right. And if you react and you have to think about it, you're probably not acting on your your moral. That's my opinion. But it should be ultimately you shouldn't have to think much.
SPEAKER_03And again, we're human, so we're constantly fighting that battle back and forth between our selfish worldly ways and our spiritual um you know higher path. But to the extent that we tap into that higher spiritual path, yeah, then the rest of the stuff takes care of itself. It should. It should.
SPEAKER_02If you're actually aligned with that, yes. Yes.
SPEAKER_03And as, you know, in again, I use Jesus' words, um, you know, love God Father with all your heart, mind, and soul, and others as yourself. Everything else takes care of itself. You know, if you're following the right principles, you don't need to have a bunch of laws or rules or you know telling you what's wrong because you're probably not going to do it anyway.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and we get I agree.
SPEAKER_03And like everything, we get stuck in the details of, you know, arguing about some abstract, you know, detail about something. But are you doing it out of love for others and a higher purpose? If you are, then you know, that's your guide. Don't worry, don't worry about the details. You'll automatically know and respond.
SPEAKER_02No, we all can work with that more. And I think it goes back to making our body I think that's that is the journey and evolution of our body. I think that's really what comes down to, in my opinion, what intelligence and wisdom is, is to be able to just be yourself and not like not have to think 24-7. Because that's one thing I've realized that the more you're in that flow, it goes back to the flow state. Like if you're in that flow state of where you're just living and you're there and everything just it it becomes less stressful, everything becomes systematic. And I don't mean really systematic, it's true. It becomes where your body just responds to itself. Take that's a good place to be.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, take that place to be. Take that like in a sports example. You know, if you're Michael Jordan, I mean you're just or anybody, you're just doing it. The minute you start thinking about, okay, wait a minute, I gotta bend my legs here, I've got to have the ball rolling. The minute we overthink, we're screwed. My fingers, you know, I I try to golf, you know, the moment I'm thinking about, oh, I've got to have, you know, my hands set this way and the wrist. Yes. You you go down that road of thinking about the details, you're done. It's it's not effective. If you're focused on just the motion, the flow, you're in that flow state and you're just doing it. Yes. Um you're allowing it to happen. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02I'm glad you said it because everybody knows I'm a UPS guy. And I will always, when I have my route and I'm starting, I'm driving in my route, I will always, for whatever reason, like map out the whole route in my head.
SPEAKER_00Doesn't matter. I've already done it 50 times in my life, you know what I mean? And uh just we'll map it out like stop by stop, like try to pinpoint where I'm going, like put myself through it. And it's just like why do I I'm gonna I'm gonna do it anyway. Just go through it.
SPEAKER_02Literally, what are you doing? And obviously you eventually get to that. But but I've done that and uh the UPS is a perfect, it's like you plan out your entire pattern of what you're gonna do. You're you can visualize yourself getting the box doll. You're like, oh man, are they gonna answer this door or not today? Instead of just taking it as it goes. Why are you doing it? And it it does nothing for you. And you realize that that whole thought process was 30 minutes of wasted time in your head that literally could have been used for something completely more peaceful, and you all you did was stress yourself out more.
SPEAKER_03And it's basic basically back to us wanting to control it.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes, 100%.
SPEAKER_03I want to have control of the situation, and but but trying to get control loses control. Yes. Everything's a paradox.
SPEAKER_02It's the uh good what they always say, that have a plan is the worst plan. Right. Makes God laugh. That's right. Having a plan is the easiest way to make God laugh. 100% right. But uh let's go ahead and dive into this for a little closing thought here, Dad. What we always say is question everything, but do not lose what matters right in front of you. Maybe the answer isn't out there, maybe it's how we live here. And if we can't get this right here, what are we even looking for out there? And I think that's one I really wanted to hit home for. It's just if we we always that's the other thing. We always search for it outside to fix itself. We all want it to f come in and fix it for us in a sense. And it's like, why can't we just fix it here ourselves? And that's with our own individual selves, the world, you could bring that to many different perspectives. But sometimes we all look for everything else to be solved for us rather than solving it here while we can make a stand here.
SPEAKER_03Well, I always, you know, in our discussions, you know, and sometimes we all get caught up in blaming society or blaming the politicians or, you know, all these outside factors when, you know, the change begins with ourselves. Um, you know, what's the Gandhi quote, you know, be the change you want you wish to see. So it's easy for us to always push things to the outside, like, you know, society's terrible, uh, our country's falling apart, da-da-da. But the change is always each individual person um rising above whatever the challenges are. So, you know, when we condemn, you know, whatever corruption or wars or what have you, it's like, what am I doing myself? Am I fighting with my spouse? Am I being the best father I can be? You know, if if I'm not doing those things, I'm casting stones at other people and not looking at myself. You know, us individuals are the family, the state, the country, the world. Um, so we don't change anything unless we change ourselves. Um and again, Jesus would say, you know, the kingdom is within us. So it's we are we are we do want that ego to die, but we want that to come in and through us because nothing else on a big scale changes unless us as individuals change. Um so no, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And there's I'm gonna say this before I do wrap up here. There was a move uh show that my friends got me on. It was called The Boys That I Watched, and they had this um line in there, it was like a little monologue, they were talking about how the world's ending and stuff, and I really liked the way that this was put. And I I don't have the exact line, but I'll but I'm gonna try to give you similar. But he basically said in his synopsis that one of the hardest things in the world right now is to do the right thing. He said it with how much negative like we're all just kind of forced to be mad at the world right now, everything's just and one of the hardest things to do right now is to just be good and be a good person and do the right thing. And I think it's very lost right now. And I did want to bring that up to where I think a lot of people feel that way, and um it's it's kind of easy like he put it, that it's easier to almost be mad at everything and to be cynical and upset and it gives you a feeling of superiority that that everything out there is messed up.
SPEAKER_03Correct. You're blaming it.
SPEAKER_02It puts you on top of that. And it's almost harder and I think more challenging to take the other route. And I always try to be the bigger, bigger person and do that.
SPEAKER_03And I always tried to make the point to you, and I don't think I did a very good job with it. That's probably how people feel here. Of you know, doing the right thing does not make you successful in this world. Yeah. Um that's not the point. That's the point is you you do what's right regardless of the outcome. Uh doing right what's right might cause you a lot of pain and suffering in this world. And to me, you know, you do it anyway. But but the examples that we have in the world are doing violating, you know, positive principles can make you successful in this world. Sadly. I mean, sadly, the you know, the people who get the the clicks on uh on YouTube or social media aren't the ones that are putting forward a mess message of, you know, love and forgiveness. They're doing, you know, material things or destructive uh things. People are have corruption and are, you know, stealing from the system and doing all sorts of things that personally they may be having a material benefit from doing those things. People who are honest and doing things the right way, you're perhaps hurting yourself in a worldly standpoint. Correct. But to me, that you know, that just happens. We can't that's out of our control. But what's it doing to my soul? My soul is more important than what it's doing to me financially. You can't buy that back, man. You can't buy that back. And I always, you know, say, you know, when we're dying and are on our deathbed, um, you know, I I think for most of us, the things we're gonna be thinking about is, oh, you know, I wish I could have, you know, scammed another person and made more money and bought another car. I mean, I don't think too many people are gonna be thinking that. I would have thought. I think you're gonna be thinking, you know, was I a good husband, was I a good uh family member, um, did I treat people right? Was I respectful of people who had different opinions? Um, how did I make people feel when I interacted with them? I think 90 plus percent of us are gonna be thinking about those things uh at the end of our life. I really do. I mean, even people who might fall to temptations here and and are doing things that are violating principles, I still have a belief. I don't know, but I have a belief that we have a a soul and a conscience, and um when you know your time here is over. Yeah, I I I I I find it hard to believe that the person who has lied and stolen and cheaten their way through life, even if they may have had a great material life, find it hard to believe that they're gonna feel like, oh, I feel good about the life I live.
SPEAKER_02I would I would I would I would agree. I hope so.
SPEAKER_03I definitely would I'm there is there a percentage that'll not care and say, hey, I I ran through the whole thing and you know I did whatever I wanted and I got I sucked everything out of out of everybody else to get what I wanted. I mean I'm there might be some. I'm sure there was exceptions. But I don't I don't really think so. I mean, I think the person who, you know, the Nelson Mandela or whoever may have gone through a lot of suffering here, the Jesus example of being crucified. People who have stood on principle and done the right thing regardless of what material worldly impact it had on them, I think you feel like, you know, I feel good about that. I did I kept my principles. I didn't act based upon how it was going to affect me. I acted based at a based upon doing the right thing and putting out the energy and the love uh as best I could in the world. 100%.
SPEAKER_02No, that's all that's all we can do, man. No, I'm glad you said that. Yeah, it's hard. For whatever reason, uh it's always been that way. But yeah, every it's it goes back to the news. I always bring it to that the the good news, like the positive news nobody wants to see. Everybody wants to see the bad stuff. Don't know why, but that's just the that's the way we're gonna be able to do that. That's the world we're in.
SPEAKER_03And I try to say too, just like you know, that that gravity example, you know, the ball drops here every time. Well, same way the people who do the wrong thing often get rewarded and benefited here. But I still feel like that's just limited to this earthly existence. If we have a belief in something bigger than that, I agree, that ball that drops every time, or that person who does the wrong thing and gets away with it, I hope I have a belief that there's a bigger existence where those rules are going to be different. Mm-hmm. And there's gonna be a changing I you know, we're we're restricted here in what we see. So in that sense, I we have a shared belief that, you know, th this is subject to change.
SPEAKER_02Correct, correct. That things aren't sort of. Locked in locked in right here. Yeah. I and I always try to bring it to this too, and I always try to say the best way that no matter what you believe, hopefully we can all create our own heaven on earth and hopefully we can find our own heaven after that. And that's that's kind of all I hope for for everybody. I hope that in if somebody pe everyone can find peace in heaven on this earth for themselves and everyone here, and also hopefully find that in their next life or whatever that is. I just wish that for everybody. To me, that's about all I can say on that. But that's all I do wish for everybody, no matter what their belief is. I just hope people find peace and contentment in this life and the next, whatever that is.
SPEAKER_03And we want it in both, right. We don't want to be so out of this world that we don't help the suffering here. Yes. And I think sometimes maybe that's what you you'll maybe see me as thinking a little too outside of this world and minimizing the suffering here. That's fair, that's a good point. So it's you know, it's it's both ways. 100%.
SPEAKER_02It's not it's not that one doesn't matter more than the other. There are still suffering. Suffering is still suffering.
SPEAKER_03We wanna we wanna help alleviate the suffering here, but also hopefully viewing it as temporary and into the next I would hope.
SPEAKER_02In a transition in a sense. Yes, I agree. I agree. I I I'm on the same page there. I'm on the same page there. So Dad, I'll be f we're gonna wrap up a little bit here. We're gonna read some things and then we're gonna close out a little bit, my man. But uh the object change. To search didn't. We replaced certainty with curiosity, but we're still searching. We look outward to avoid looking inward. Aliens didn't create the question. They just gave it a new place to point. If we can get to this, if we can get if sorry, if we can't get this right here, where uh why are we even looking for out there? That's what I want. I know I said that a few times, but I do want to hit that one home because it's so true. If we can't make it right where we are here, how do we expect someone else to come in and fix it for us and us to keep it going and sustain it? We can't sustain it if we can't do it ourselves. Um just like anybody else we come in and fix something for somebody, you know, that we can't expect them to sustain it if we haven't taught them how to do it. You know, so it's the same kind of concept. But I'm gonna read this as well, so bear with me here. We spend our whole lives looking up for answers in the stars, in the static, in the silence between everything we don't understand. But sometimes the truth doesn't arrive like a warning. Sometimes it comes quietly when we least expect it, when the world feels too loud to hear itself anymore. And maybe that's the scariest part. Not that something could be out there watching us, but that we've been down here forgetting what matters most, fighting over lines in the dirt, names on flags, money, power, pride, why floating together on the same fragile speck of dust in the dark. So if this is where the sky changes, if this is where everything we thought we knew starts to fall apart, then maybe this is also where we remember who we are. Put the hatred down, put the ego down, stand for something real, because earth is where we make our stand. Not against each other, but for each other. ELE, everybody, love everybody. But as we always say, all we can do is our part. Hopefully we're doing our part here to hopefully influence others to want to make this world a better place as well. And uh, that's all we can do is just try to build and build on that and try to spread that light, spread that positive energy to people, and hopefully we can uh eventually have that grow and grow and grow, and hopefully this world can see some good changes and uh where we don't go down a path where hopefully there's no return. And like Carl Sagan I hate to bring it up, but it's the truth. We don't want to be our own demise. And I would try to stop ourselves before it gets to that point and realize that it is on us, and it is on us to make our stand here and do everything we can do to love one another and make this world peaceful. Like I said, have heaven here and heaven after for all people. And that's that's my belief, and that's what I wish for everyone. And I would do anything I could to give that to anybody, and uh I hope I can give that to myself and everyone else. Uh we can create peace and love and heaven on this world, and even if we don't know what's next, at least we uh can know that hopefully they they always say uh we don't know what heaven is, but hopefully I had heaven on this earth. And uh I uh that's one thing I always bring up that um I mean Jess had this conversation, but how can you have heaven here? You know, like how can we create we don't know what's out there, but how can we find a way to do our part as humans to create heaven on this earth for all of us? And I I do think that's capable, and I do think we can find a way to do that. And that'll be my always wish to everybody. I hope we can create heaven here and heaven in the next life, whatever you wish that is for me, myself, and everyone else in this world, man. That's the ultimate wish that I have for everybody. But um, Dad, I want to thank you again for taking the time. I know it was a little deep one, but uh I just want to say that obviously we welcome anybody's perspectives here. I do not judge one anybody for what they believe, what their mind is. I believe it's infinite. I believe it's questioned everything. Uh that's why we do this. Um, is to basically show that in my opinion that it's not about one view, it's not about one way. Um, it's about how do we have many infinite ways to find a way to get to each other and basically coexist? How do we find a way to have all these different ideas and thoughts and beliefs that we have and to find a way to be one in one big picture instead of just dividing ourselves into these little cults? That's really what we do. How do we find a way to bridge that gap and or just realize the bigger picture and all just come together and realize that it's on us to just be good people and to put good energy out and hopefully, hopefully, hopefully we can get to that point eventually. But thank you, Dad, again. And uh is there anything else you want to add that I didn't bring up?
SPEAKER_03No, I agree with your message. Love, compassion, forgiveness. Um do what we can do uh within our control to exhibit those those principles and uh you know just just share love.
SPEAKER_02Just that's right, man. Just make it simple. Yes, that's what's gonna be overcomplicated too much. It's really just that simple to me. It's uh just being a good person, and like you said, it and if you by doing that, your life really should just be speaking for itself. Because if you feel that way, you're gonna embody that and do that every day.
SPEAKER_03And recognize we're we're in a world that's you know a material world. So we're gonna have diseases and suffering and all those things, but you know, to me the the answer is always love, um, almost no matter what the problem is. Yeah. To me, it's love is the answer.
SPEAKER_02Yes, no matter what. And sometimes it's the hardest choice, but it's the best choice. But uh, thank you again, Dad. And uh thank you to everybody that did watch this or listen. To me, it's more than you ever know to us. And uh, like I always say, hopefully we're just helping somebody out there not feel alone. And that's I've felt that way a lot in my life and still do at times. And I just want everybody to know that this is why we do that, to make you hopefully not feel alone, and that there is people that understand and we'll be there for you, and uh do want to see the world be in a better place and be hopeful. So hopefully we can be that branch of the tree for everybody and be that hope for somebody. So thank you again, Dad, and thank you to everybody watching. And this is season three, episode one. We're getting excited. So season three has started. So thank you again to dad for joining us, and thank you to everybody watching. Like and subscribe if you haven't already. Uh, this is Who's Even Listening to Podcast, it comes out every Wednesday on our mental medicine channel. You can check that out, and there's a bunch of other content as well. And uh same message as always, ELE. Everybody, love everybody, and uh, we will see you again soon. So, this is the mental medicine crew signing off.